Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Black Panther/Street Moto, Baghira, Enduro, Mastiff, Skorpion Traveller and Tour.

Moderators: DAVID THOMPSON, phlat65

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby Fluffy_Dog_1018 » Tue Jan 11, 2011 8:49 pm

The mesh filter is a small dome that snaps onto the top of the float seat. You cannot see it in your pictures because your float seat is installed in the carb. I had a bitch of a time removing the float seat from my carb and destroyed it in the process (which is one of the reasons I had to get a carb kit).

Before you convince yourself that the hidden screen is at fault try this. Take the float pin out (in the direction of the arrow!). Then remove the hinge and float needle. Squirt some carb cleaner into the carb via the fuel line. If the filter is clean you should see the carb cleaner flow freely out the top of the float needle seat (and all over your pants). If the cleaner does not come out your screen is likely blocked. I'd let the cleaner sit there a while and with some compressed air blow it back and forth by alternately forcing air up the float needle seat and then thru the fuel line. Take your time, you can clean the screen without taking the float needle seat out. Sorry this is hard to explain but really a simple process. Remember there is only one way for fuel to get into the carb and that is by going thru the fuel line and then past the float needle into the bowl. You have to make sure the path is clear before you go any further.

One note... in your 2nd picture you see that long thin brass tube just south of the air needle? Well that feeds fuel to your choke circuit. When you put the bowl on the carb the brass tube goes into a cylindrical chamber in the bowl. At the base of the chamber is a small hole that allows fuel to flow into the chamber. On my carb this small hole had become plugged with varnish and my bike would not start cold until I finally unplugged the hole. I took the carbs off 3 times before I discovered this!

Stick with this, if carbs are your problem once you get them sorted out your bike will run like a champ.

John
Somthin ain't right.
1982 Yamaha Maxim SOLD
2001 Suzuki SV650 SOLD
2001 Kawasaki Concours SOLD
1983 Honda CB650SC SOLD
1996 BMW R1100R
2001 MZ Traveller
User avatar
Fluffy_Dog_1018
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Sun May 23, 2010 6:04 am
Location: Philadelphia, PA

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby dave » Wed Jan 12, 2011 4:23 am

Thanks for the reply there mate, it makes perfect sense!

I've already blasted carb cleaner up every hole and tube and had the jets out and blasted them too.

I've blasted some in the tube where the fuel first enters from the tank, and this came out through the valve leading into the float chamber, like you said, so it must be clear. I will try and blast some through the other way, to be sure its clear.

OK, back to the shed it is ........... I'm going in, cover me.......... :D
User avatar
dave
 
Posts: 40
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:41 am

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby Skorpion660 » Wed Jan 12, 2011 1:40 pm

Take the float pin out (in the direction of the arrow!).

Hope you haven't tried the above yet, just a word of caution when removing pin be very very gentle as it doesn't take a lot of force to shear the posts that pin goes through as some of us have found out to our cost.

Terry
User avatar
Skorpion660
 
Posts: 29
Joined: Sun Nov 12, 2006 1:17 pm
Location: Scotland

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby djsbriscoe » Wed Jan 12, 2011 3:26 pm

I used a pair of electronics wire cutters to GENTLY but firmly grip the pin when I cleaned my carb. Works well.

David.
Bikes:2006 RT125 (sold Jan 2013),2001 Skorpion Traveller (sadly sold) Current bike Honda NC750X DCT (2014)
Past owner of original ETZ125,ETZ251,Kanuni ETZ251 models
Location:London UK
Electronics tech by trade.
djsbriscoe
 
Posts: 341
Joined: Sun Aug 21, 2005 12:55 pm
Location: London,UK

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby dave » Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:48 pm

I tried to get the float pin out to have a little look at the fuel inlet valve but it wouldnt come out easy so decided to clean and leave well alone.

So, I've reassembled the carbs and put them back in the bike and .............. she fired up with a bit of choke in a few seconds.

I'm well happy :D :D :D

She seems to run nice. set the air screw at 3.5 turns out. Slight back-fire pop on the over-run from full throttle, but thats all.

Will be taking it out for a full road test tomorrow if it stops raining :?

Thanks for all your comments and help.

Dave.
User avatar
dave
 
Posts: 40
Joined: Sun Oct 24, 2010 8:41 am

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby basser23 » Thu Jan 13, 2011 6:41 pm

Ta DaH!! GOOD CLEANING!!!!
Hpoe all is well after many trials!!!!
Cheers!!!
basser23
 
Posts: 654
Joined: Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:27 pm
Location: central florida

Re: Help: Baghira wont fire up / plug removal...

Postby DAVID THOMPSON » Tue Jan 18, 2011 10:27 am

picture with label may help
will be doing mine everone seems to have this problem sooner or later
so will be cleaning mine soon so i do not have down time this summer
dave (David Thompson)mz traveller in WV usa +rt125
Attachments
660 carb float filter.JPG
Dave 2002 MZ RT125+1995 Saxon Tour(500cc)
1997 MZ 660 Traveller+6/13/09 WV USA
"IN the end times the IDIOTS will be in charge
of everything"
"I like the road less traveled if it's PAVED!"
wd8cyv at yahoo dot com
User avatar
DAVID THOMPSON
Moderator
 
Posts: 5162
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2003 11:01 am
Location: Parkersburg, West Virginia USA .questions answered MZ 95 up, BMW 1953 to 1979 and ham radio WD8CYV

Previous

Return to 660 cc

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 21 guests