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Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Fri Jul 15, 2011 11:38 am

Just trying to find out if there will be interest from you guys in MZ Skorpion race seat?
After talking to my brother, he said that if he can get at least 5 orders then they (Motoforza) might be able to borow the seat from Kehrers and make a mold.
I was even thinking of ordering 5 seats myself and then put them out for sale but need to know if there will be interest!
Here is how the seat looks like. Let me know if anyone will be interested.

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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby edfmaniac » Fri Jul 15, 2011 2:28 pm

Will I be able to make it fit over the stock oil and coolant reservoirs after hacking away at my sub frame or are we talking major bike mods to get this to work?
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby basser23 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:03 pm

Me,Me Me.....good point as to fit on stock subframe with oil and overflow tanks...
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby basser23 » Fri Jul 15, 2011 3:06 pm

How bout a rear hugger and front fender too?
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:15 pm

I'll ask :D
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:34 pm

edfmaniac wrote:Will I be able to make it fit over the stock oil and coolant reservoirs after hacking away at my sub frame or are we talking major bike mods to get this to work?


I think this should fit right over the tank, using the stock subframe. Minor mods maybe but nothing crazy, if any at all.
Maybe if Bill Jurgenson gets here he might be able to answer this better as I think he seen the Kehrers bikes :D

By the way here is link to Kehrers site http://www.mek-portal.de/krt/index.php
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby edfmaniac » Fri Jul 15, 2011 10:32 pm

This is what I really want. I'd even go through the trouble to build a new oil tank if I could find a seat that is this compact and clean looking. Anyone have a clue who makes it, assuming it can still be found?
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby Bill Jurgenson » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:11 am

probably, no, certianly involves major surgery. Kehrer's Works racers are those of the second group from MZ. Look very closely at the frame.
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It only looks like what you have but is quite different. Look where the swingarm axle is or at the welded front cage around the engine. Needless to say that the rear subframe is minimalistic. And there is no oil tank; the frame is the oil tank.
Both Beasley in the US and MLB here in Germany make (made?) readily obtainable one-piece seat GF cowls that fit the stock seat frame. Google pictures of our own Chris Hunsicker's racer (since sold); it has a Beasley seat.
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Much more important in the context of track Skorpions, notice that Chris had MUCH lighter Brembo TZ250R wheels with a 4,5" rear that can accept decent racing tires. there was also a 5" version but both are a scarce as hen's teeth. They are worth every cent they might cost. I remember Chris reporting to me how he could was able to pass SVs on the straight. Go figure - and that is what I meant recently, when I wrote a step backwords. He was also running Brembo calipers and decent light rearsets which were not somewhere behind the bike and an expensiveWilbers strut custom-made for him. That at a time when NOTHING was available for the Skorpion. We made these as well as the ones I later used.
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Nowadays there is no excuse for running the John-Deere-type footpegs. Gilles Tooling supplies top quality high-end rearsets especially for the Skorpion:
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This was my doing, not without Gilles' friendly cooperation and these are the prototypes on my bike. The AS31GT-MZ01 rearsets look just like this and can be had in titanium (here), gold and black. They are expensive up front but all parts are interchangable and can be had separately, making them cheaper at the track and after inevitible spills.
Point is, tho, at least for me: is is all well and good to have a nice looking bike, but, if one is really serious about the track, there are other, far more important matters that have to be attended to first. By that I also mean before one starts off with engine tuning. Right off, get Brembo calipers and pumps (front 13mm, rear 11 or 12) if you value your own safety. This should be requisite for ANY Skorpion, street or track. Get the chassis right first with decent wheels and strut at the back. Use shorter dogbones, 125mm is a good place to start. If you are able to mark out and drill accurately, make them yourself; 6mm 7075 aluminum is more than strong enuf; I have been running my alu bones for 7 years now. There is nothing hi-tech about dogbones. Get a good programmable ignition like the TCIP4, set the limiter to 9000, program a more usable curve and put on a shorter ratio, obviously depending on the track and use a motorcross racing chain (e.g. DID520ERT) without o-rings. Get usable clipons and throw those crappy uncomfortable originals in the bin. All of this for the street,too, and it will put that street legal Skorpion right up with "big guys" on the hilly roads. If not out front. I know from experience. I nerve those would-bes all the time, them shaking their heads: "hugh? no way, can't be possible." I have actually overheard this.
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the last incarnation of my '94 blue Tour, referred to as my "toy," the bike I am talking about here.
under 150kg ready to ride and street legal, too, and with 59hp at the rear wheel. Those Brembo wheels again, etc, etc, etc...
Wanna bet the above racer, as pretty as it is, is a far cry from that...
My racer weighed in at 122kg ready to race with half-fairing, at 125 with full as seen here somewhere. With battery. With magneto it was a bit lighter.
Chris, if he was still here, could testify that it got up and went. He rode it briefly, illegally, on the open road behind the track in the evening.

back to the seats
A member (Carlo) of the German Skorpion Forum is making CF look-alike parts for the Skorpion. These include front and rear fenders and even a cog cover. I recently had a customer's bike here with these items on it and the fenders looked good. If I remember right, Carlo also made, or was in the process, a RS125type seat and at one tank/seat monocoque. so, unless these were done with styrofoam lost form method, there is a form and possibly more to be had.
And dutch fellow has just yesterday presented a CF tank for the Skorpion, on recessed on the bottom for better conditions for flatslides etc.
You have to register as in any forum, but English is no real problem. several non-Germans write in English.

here pics of that customer's bike where you can sort see the fenders:
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This one is also oil-in-frame like two or three more in our forum here:
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you can see the return line going to the front of the frame and the feed line at the bottom. Both cross tubes have been drilled from outside and the the holes welded shut again. The frame contains about 3 liters. I am not a fan of this modification and am not advocating it, not with the stock frame.
Here the tank (steel) is from a Cagiva Mito and the GF seat for a classic racer laminated onto the tank to form a unit which is hinged at the front. The seat frame is home made. All the electric is under that small seat including the diminutive LiPeFo battery on the lower lever with large plus and minus connector block to which everything is attached and the battery separately. The starter relay is right next to the main connector poles. On the upper lever, there is the SilentHektik solid-state fuse and blinker box and the Igntech Sparker TCIP4 programmable ignition box. The ignition key is, as on my own bike, under the seat on the right side; it controls +12V to the fuse box only. There are no live wires when the switch is off save for the separate line to the fan which has its own inline fuse. The harness to the front on the left contains only the +12 from the fuse box to the lightswitch (Yamaha with lights on/off, hi/lo, headlight flasher, horn, and blinkers) and DET100 electr. instrument and the +12 from the blinker relay and the line for a shift light from the TCIP4 in case it is needed later. The only lines back in that harness are the right and left blinkers. The taillight is connected directly to the fuse box and is always on when the ignition is on. On the right is a separate harness (as I always do) the +12v from the relay pin of the fuse box to the coil (which after all is on the right!), minus from the ignition box to coil and tach, ground wires from starter button and killswitch to starter relay and relay in the fuse box respect. and +12v to both brakelight switches and of course the return lead to the brake light. In other words, the built-in relay of the fuse box is controlled by the kill switch and turns the ignition, both coil and TCIP4 on and off. The leads from the generator and pickup are a separate cable utilizing the OEM plugs going directly to the plus and minus lugs of that connector block respect. to the TCIP4.
That is all there is as cable harness(es); much simpler than either the MZ or the SZR. Normally I connect the taillight classic style with + as ground, the light itself completely insolated from the frame with rubber mounts as a matter of course. That way, both brakelight switches need only ground; no +12v is necessary and since I habitually use a starter relay that needs only to be grounded, no +12v is necessary at all on that side up front. In this case, the owner had a Diode taillight which cannot work with +12 as ground. After several diode lights and many different bulb lights, I returned to a HELLA taillilght with two separate bulbs really meant for trailors and farm machines. It is all-metal with a rubber seal around the lense and real threaded screws. Since adopting this, I have not had to replace a single bulb.
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This was the first and last version of the attempt to civilize the racer to street-legal, here still with MLB fairings, Barker alu subframe and Pferrer RS500 seat as raced.
that tail light is so bright you need sunglasses behind it. This was 4 years ago, the engine without balancer, the later aircooled engine with much lightened balancer and not a single replacement bulb.

sorry for the length and veering away from topic.
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Sat Jul 16, 2011 1:59 pm

Hey Bill, thank you for the input :D
Great reading as always!
I will see about the seat if my brother gets it and make it, then I will try to fit it to my Skorpion.
I like the look of it.
I did wanted to ask you about the Gilles rearsets. I try to look at Gilles website that you have in your blog but had no luck locating the rearsets. How can I order these?
I'm not in any hurry to get them but will be nice to replace the stock onece that I have.
Also I heard that the front end can be replaced with Yamaha R6 front end and it should fit right on. Is that right or not?
I'm trying to come up with parts that I can actualy find here in US and there is almost nothing for the MZ.
I think I shoul make a list of what to get and then go one by one :D


As for the front fender that Kehrers are using, I do not think that it will fit the original forks as they using White power forks I think.
I will find out more about the hugger!
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby Bill Jurgenson » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:28 pm

the first R6 has a 41 mm RSU fork, so the lrgs fit right into the MZ tripletrees.
best to tskethe entire front end with 3.5" wheel, rotors and calipers. get a Brembo PS16 or PSC16 or perhaps easier and cheaper, a Nissin 5/8" pump.
the swing arm can also be made to fit withou too much hassle (photos and some text over at yahoo MZ Owners group) and gets you a 5" rear wheel, both of course MP (=MotoParts; belongs to Brembo and thus to Yamaha) wheels.

send an email to Michael Drautzberg at Gilles.
m.drautzburg@gillestooling.com
The model number is AS31GT-MZ01.
I assume that Gilles has an US jobber but at least over here, they also sell directly.
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Thu Nov 24, 2011 3:05 pm

New Skorpion seat now for sale from MOTOFORZA!

Contact: motoforza.info@seznam.cz

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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby basser23 » Fri Nov 25, 2011 10:50 am

Awesome.....
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Sun Dec 04, 2011 11:55 pm

I'm waiting for the seat to come here. When I get it I'll post some pictures how it fits on the bike and what might need to be done to fit it over the stock subframe if anything.
Just to remind you guys that this is a project seat that I asked my brother to make (copy) it for my Skorpion and I have no idea how it fits yet so if anyone orders this seat, count on that you might have to do some adjustments.

Other then that I think its very nice and very close to what we need for the Skorpions :D
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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby edfmaniac » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:23 am

Oh ok. I think I've been hounding you and someone overseas about getting one of these. I'm willing to deal with any modifications needed since I'm reworking the entire sub frame anyway. I'm also interested in that tank that is shown in the pics. How much is that thing and where do I get one?

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Re: Feeler for Skorpion race seat

Postby mforza » Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:34 am

edfmaniac wrote:Oh ok. I think I've been hounding you and someone overseas about getting one of these. I'm willing to deal with any modifications needed since I'm reworking the entire sub frame anyway. I'm also interested in that tank that is shown in the pics. How much is that thing and where do I get one?

Thanks
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Hi Victor,
you can shoot my brother Zdenek email at that address above and he will get you exact price with shipping for the seat. Or the whole bodywork if you need it. :D
Now I have no idea where you can get the tank. As far as I know it was custom made most likely by Kehrers but not sure.
Sorry I can't help you with the tank :(
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